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mwas - 8:40 Sunday 15 June 2025 (66999) Print this report
B1 saturations, alignment kicks and 3Hz oscillation

Figure 1. The B1 photodiode is regularly saturating, which causes kicks into the OMC and SR alignment signals based on B1 dither demodulation.

Figure 2, 3, 4 show a couple of examples. In all these cases the origin of the saturation is a transient oscillation at ~3Hz. These transient oscillation happen more often that the B1 saturations, when their amplitude is smaller it doesn't trigger a saturation. The bump in the B1 spectrum at ~3Hz correspond to these oscillations.

My guess is that this related to a contro loop being close to being unstable, with a zero phase in the loop transfer function around 3Hz. It is important to find what it is to prevent these saturations and kicks to the OMC and SR alignment.,

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mwas - 19:51 Thursday 19 June 2025 (67056) Print this report

Looking back through data I have been able to find when the 3Hz bump in B1/DARM started.

Figure 1 shows the week it has happened. On December  17 there is a change in the DARM spectrum, with noise in the 10Hz-25Hz noise band getting much lower, but a bump with variable height appearing at 3Hz.

Figure 2 shows a couple of spectra before the change (red and cyan) a couple after (blue and green) and the current situation (purple).

Looking in the logbook the origin of the change is clear. There was an ISC shift on subtraction filters https://logbook.virgo-gw.eu/virgo/?r=65832 . The last activity were changes in the CARM2DARM subtraction filter, and in figure 4 of that entry a bump in DARM at 3Hz clearly appears when the subtraction is turned on. This explains why the bump appears in the OMC spectrum, the OMC length has to follow CARM. 

This is probably the origin of the more numerous short data segment for Virgo, with B1 saturation chopping data usable by data analysis into short segments, many of them to short to usable by offline pipeline. This have been reported at the Virgo week this week, https://tds.virgo-gw.eu/?r=24945, and apparently the problem has started in December. So most likely it is the same problem.

Looking at the starting point of the Detchar investigation, the problem did indeed start in the middle of December, https://logbook.virgo-gw.eu/virgo/?r=66288

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mwas - 8:36 Friday 20 June 2025 (67062) Print this report

Figure 1. Looking at the CARM correction coherence with DARM and h(t), it is present around 20Hz for DARM but not for h(t). My guess is that the h(t) reconstruction uses precisely measured response of the individual mirrors (NE and WE), and knows that some of the CARM correction is actually applied in the DARM degree of freedom, because the strength of the NE coil-magnet pairs and the WE coil-magnet pairs is not exactly the same. 

The WE coil-magnet pair strength has changed due to the mirror replacement, so the CARM to DARM coupling has increased as the driving matrix has not been update. But the results with Hrec show that instead of doing a CARM to DARM subtraction, a more finely adjusted driving matrix should be able to avoid any coupling of CARM to DARM.

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bersanetti - 9:04 Friday 20 June 2025 (67069) Print this report

I disabled the CARM2DARM subtraction from 6:56 UTC, the driving matrix will be studied offline.

2025-06-20 06h53m46 UTC AcConstChCmSet> CARM_DARM_GAIN, val 0 rampTime 10 - loaded and request to apply received - sender "ISC_shell_bersanet_farmn5_20250618_154343"

ruggi - 13:12 Friday 20 June 2025 (67070) Print this report

Two plots regarding the impact of CARM2DARM subtraction on the bump at 3 Hz on DARM.

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narnaud - 16:01 Monday 23 June 2025 (67104) Print this report

B1 PD1 saturation rate in Science mode (1-day bins), from September 1st until this morning. The two vertical dashed lines correspond roughly to when the  CARM2DARM subtraction filter was in production.

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narnaud - 10:44 Monday 30 June 2025 (67167) Print this report

Same plot, updated with one week more of data.

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