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Paoletti, Fiori, Tringali - 22:00 Thursday 09 January 2020 (48107) Print this report
(WEB) 48Hz line and lines from 40 to 44Hz in Hrec: some more hints

After the switch-off of some vacuum sensors around the WEB tower (see entry 47985) that has "cleaned" a lot the magnetic environment, we repeated the search in a more controlled way (and now with the ITF locked in LN3-SQZ) of a source (better: a "trigger") of the 48Hz line (we suspect it is a mechanical resonant mode of the F7 crossbar) and of other lines located between 40 and 44Hz that are visible in Hrec.

The test consisted in a sequential switch-off of the two UPS systems (they are in parallel) that are supplying all the mains power to the electronic systems around the WEB tower.

Timing (UTC) is:

before 13:49:00 UTC both UPS are ON, as usual

13:49:00   UPS DX OFF
15:14:50   UPS DX ON
15:19:00   UPS SX OFF
16:45:00   UPS SX ON

after 16:45:00 both UPS are again ON, as usual

The clear effect is that the 48Hz line and quite all the lines between 40 and 44Hz disappeared if ONE of the two UPS is OFF (not important which of the two).

It is likely that when they are working in parallel the global noise on the UPS line increase, even if we do not see (or we are not able to see) any clear increase of noise on the UPS monitors and/or in the WEB magnetometers.

Attached many plots showing this effect :-)

It remains unclear the path (who is propagating this noise, using wich path, acting how and where ...), but the effect is visible without any doubt.

A question remains open: is this type of problem present in other places as well? (e.g. NEB, CEB)
Should we do the same shutdown test as (many) UPS systems?

To be investigated thoroughly ...

 

p.s. it seems that even from 50 to 55hz there is a faint improvement

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Paoletti - 9:50 Friday 10 January 2020 (48112) Print this report

Deeper analisys: the phrase "we are not able to see any clear increase of noise on the UPS monitors and/or in the WEB magnetometers" is not true.

Attached some spectrograms, where it is visible that in the UPS sensors (ENV_WEB_UPS_VOLT) there is indeed a variation of the noise between 0 and 100Hz when only one UPS system is working.

Moreover it seems that the DX UPS is the noisier of the two.

In the Magnetometers signals (ENV_WEB_MAG) we do not see the same noise reduction, but some lines around 54Hz shift in frequency (this is not visible in the UPS monitor signals).

No effect seems visible in these sensors around 48Hz.

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fiori, paoletti, tringali, janssens, dandrea - 10:15 Friday 10 January 2020 (48113) Print this report

... and just two more plots :-))

the noise reduction in Hrec is well visible also between 50 and 55 Hz (Figure 1), and at the 70.3Hz line ( a known WE crossbar mode companion of the 48.05... Paolo) (Figure 2)

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Paoletti, Fiori, Tringali, D'Andrea - 19:59 Friday 10 January 2020 (48120) Print this report

Today we have done at NEB the same UPS sequential switch-off done yesterday at WEB.

Timing is:

around 10:10:00 Paolo-san deactivated the 48.3Hz NEB crossbar resonance damper, in order to see again the line in Hrec

before 10:33:00 UTC both UPS are ON, as usual

10:33:00   UPS DX OFF
13:28:00   UPS DX ON
13:35:00   UPS SX OFF
15:50:00   UPS SX ON

after 16:50:00 both UPS are again ON, as usual.

The effect in Hrec seems not relevant as the one seen yesterday at WEB, while we see in ENV_NEB_UPS_VOLT sensors the same "cleaning" effect.

Also, in one magnetometer (ENV_NEB_MAG_V, that is close to the tower) we see that two lines that were around 52 and 54Hz (50Hz mains sidebands?) have a jump in frequency. This effect has been noticed at WEB too, with a group of lines that are just above 50Hz. It seems related to the real change in mains amplitude (about 0.5Vrms), that happens while changing from using one UPS only or both in parallel.

Attached some plots

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paoletti - 11:40 Saturday 11 January 2020 (48123) Print this report
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